Thread: Elements Manipulating Indian Markets

How abt this possibility . The company pushing its prices up , by buying the its own stock at a higher price and also recommending brokers and retailers therby causing a mass buying which further leads to over valuation of its prices?

Originally Posted by admin

Sharp rally in the Indian Markets and a sudden fall...
300-400 points sudden swing in the markets in no time....
Last 30 minutes and market down to red from a comfortable 200 point lead...
Expect the markets to fall bec of global slowdown but it again happen to rise...
So what do you think "whom to believe" , all the technical indicators proves wrong.
Easy answer, if you ask any cnbc advisor or broker, avoid playing short...
No doubt our markets are manipulated by some elements which always comes out as "winners" in every trading session.
So, who's manipulating the markets...They can be FII's, terror linked funds or our own politics ..... etc
The question still remain unanswered ..... I would like to have everybody's opinion on it....
You can suggest more elements which can affect markets the most. We'll add it to poll list (max of 10 options can be given)

DESPITE ALL TALKS OF TRANSPERANCY AND REGULATIONS STILL OUR MARKETS ARE MOSTLY MANIPULATED. MANIPULATION OF NOT ONLY STOCKS BUT ALSO THE INDEXES IS DONE BY OPERATING A FEW HEAVY WEIGHTED STOCKS OF THE INDEX. UNFORTUNATELY EVERY TIME THE LOSER IS THE SMALL TRADERS AND SMALL INVESTORS. ONLY WAY TO ESCAPE THE LOSSES IS TO INVEST IN GOOD STOCKS IN PANIC CONDITIONS AND WAIT. FOR TRADERS HIGHLY SYSTEMATIC HEDGED TRADING ONLY WILL HELP.

WHAT IS THE CAUSE FOR IT? LACK OF CLEAR CUT GUIDELINES AND REGULATIONS, LIQUIDITY, NON AVAILABILITY OF SYSTEMS AND PROCEDURES FOR EARLY DETECTION OF SUCH MANIPULATION AND LASTLY LACK OF SEVERE PUNISHMENTS . WHO DOES IT? MOSTLY THE CARTEL CONSIST OF THE CORPORATES CONCERNED AND BIG OPERATORS, WHO TOGETHER ARE PRIVY TO INSIDER INFORMATIONS.

VIJAY

Originally Posted by admin

Sharp rally in the Indian Markets and a sudden fall...
300-400 points sudden swing in the markets in no time....
Last 30 minutes and market down to red from a comfortable 200 point lead...
Expect the markets to fall bec of global slowdown but it again happen to rise...
So what do you think "whom to believe" , all the technical indicators proves wrong.
Easy answer, if you ask any cnbc advisor or broker, avoid playing short...
No doubt our markets are manipulated by some elements which always comes out as "winners" in every trading session.
So, who's manipulating the markets...They can be FII's, terror linked funds or our own politics ..... etc
The question still remain unanswered ..... I would like to have everybody's opinion on it....
You can suggest more elements which can affect markets the most. We'll add it to poll list (max of 10 options can be given)

Yea, rightly said vijay. And thats the reason why the small traders are now more inclining toward "small stocks" or small cap stocks which are recommended by brokers. Some of the stocks are not even known to the trader but they have no option but to believe as they are already decieved by fundamentals of the markets.
And mostly they are rightly told.... as brokers sometimes give out right info about certain unheard small stocks to live upto thier reputation... but its still very very risky...
I still remember "Atlanta" script last year , I was holding 1000 of it at Rs 500 and reached 1200+ within 7-10 days and after 2-3 days of consolidation I sold 500... Every next broker was recommending this stock (to reach 2000) but the next day sebi punished the company for manipulating the stocks (I dont remember exactly what happened)... and the stock came down to 200-250 levels in lower circuits itself... n finally I sold at 300 after 1 month...
The company was mainly manipulated by its family members I think...

where the markets heading anyone can help me

F&O and Margin Money,along with Leverage facility by way Loans from banks for Stocks held in the Demat Accounts is also a very very important factor.
There are reliable reports that "THE NIFTY",is being manipulated by the Institutions,Local and Foreign.

I Think F & O Positions Can Have Some Impacts In Our Markets. A Derivatve Is Virtual Insrument But It Controls The Actual

Folks, I've read this thread and found this discussion rather amusing. Even if you consider the stock markets to be 100% transparent, fully regulated etc. what do we think moves the share price after all? It's the collective will (read manipulation) of the traders/investors, isn't it? It's like bargaining when you go to buy veggies.. The vendor sees you and thinks he can extract more from you so he asks more; you, otoh, presume that he's going to ask more so bargain even if you know the price to be reasonable.

Yes, the big guys will bargain more, and 'manipulate' more because of their money power. That has always been the case. The 'small' guys like us can only try to predict which way the wind is blowing and make a few bucks. It has always been a gambler's den for us. We can use neural networks, Elliott waves, or whatever method fancies us - and try to find patterns in trading. With luck, determination, and discipline, you may succeed in playing the numbers game. Several boarders here have already pointed that out (and keep reminding everyone to trade with strict SL)..

Still, the market attracts us all (I've also lost so we are all partners in that sense!) because of its intrigue etc. I keep telling myself that as a small guy I must play small and be prepared for the worst case so the loss is bearable for the time being. The market does not operate in Utopian conditions, and never will.. Just my two paisa worth...
Paresh

Hi everyone,

Today, Friday, 28th March, 2008, as the markets were tanking towards noon; in came inflation data at 6.68% (59 week high!). Now, ordinarily you'd think, this would devastate the markets. But no, what happens? In a record time, the market is pulled up and is shooting towards day's high and in positive territory. What do the analysts say? They mumble things like, the markets seem to have digested bad news in its stride etc. Well, go figure?

If this isn't a pure case of manipulation by bulls to catch bears with their pants down, I don't know what is... Amusing if you're watching from the sidelines and don't have money in the pits...

Paresh

Date 03/28/08 time 10.58 pm

Hi All,
They had asked for a vote today and i voted for investors getting swayed by market rumours. I would define :"rumours" as some news which is not likely to have the effect it is supposed to have. "rumour"generally speaking is defined as news which is unsubstantiated, but when we define "rumour" in market terminology it has to undergo a change. Havent we all heard of the old saying "statistics are the worst liers" where can it be more true then this market of ours.